AI behavior fix 2026-09-25

Had promise and my attention for a bit. Aw well ill come back if OP ever replies

gfsggq124 said:

theres no instructions im not watching an hour long livestream to figure out how to setup your fix mod dawg please be transparent no one is using a mod that requires that much preamble.

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could you link the livestream please

heroguy679 said:

could you link the livestream please

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its so hilariously fucked, the livestream vod was deleted / unlisted by thickfila lmao

FYI this mod makes it so enemies wont dodge your shots when youre aiming at them (eg flying overseers moving like crazy when u aim at them)

gfsggq124 said:

its so hilariously fucked, the livestream vod was deleted / unlisted by thickfila lmao

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View: https://www.youtube.com/live/l1oBDPDm7-g the stream is right here.

heroguy679 said:

could you link the livestream please

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here you go
View: https://www.youtube.com/live/l1oBDPDm7-g but you just put the khisticks mod loader at the top of the mod list and if you are running bingus's mod loader you usually put his at the bottom of the mod load list.

Fobhopper said:

View: https://www.youtube.com/live/l1oBDPDm7-g the stream is right here

here you go
View: https://www.youtube.com/live/l1oBDPDm7-g

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still to me its no excuse for how poorly this was put out.

gfsggq124 said:

still to me its no excuse for how poorly this was put out.

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its a livestream. he says in the livestream that he is going to edit down the stream and put out videos on how to do it later for those who didnt watch. because the guy who made the mod goes into a lot of explanations about how this mod fixes some of the issues with the enemy AI. it starts at about 58 minutes into the livestream.

Fobhopper said:

its a livestream. he says in the livestream that he is going to edit down the stream and put out videos on how to do it later for those who didnt watch. because the guy who made the mod goes into a lot of explanations about how this mod fixes some of the issues with the enemy AI. it starts at about 58 minutes into the livestream.

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That was half assed but thanks.

I just clipped the timestamp from when THICCFILA goes over what this mod does and then interviews GOHDKHI the creator...

https://youtu.be/l1oBDPDm7-g?t=3495

From what I've gathered, it affects the enemy's behavior concerning 'aim-resistance'. Meaning the enemy tries to avoid being in the players crosshair. Most noticeable on flying-winged enemies. This does affect all enemies from what they mentioned meaning they will move and turn in awkward ways

I watched the live stream, there is a havoc engine dodge mechanic, only 1 enemy has a dodge-the arbitrator, but every .1 I suppose this means seconds(1 second?)[was not elaborated on], they roll a dodge command or a check to their positioning, this mod changes that to a 1, (10 second?) I could be wrong on the time terminology. It seems to stop enemies from just going through walls and enemy units contorting and shooting through themselves, usually seen with hulks.

I watched the first two hours of that stream, and listened to the dev's description. It was pretty scattered and interrupted frequently enough that it can't be quoted easily, so I'll attempt to summarize it.

Context

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The systems in Helldivers 2 coordinate enemies to take actions based on a variety of factors. There are at least 3 global systems controlling all game actors independently:

1. Global Aiming/Target Tracking
2. Global Actor Behavior (ex. a single enemy determining what it should do next)
3. Global Pathfinding (ex. a single enemy determining how it should move to reach a particular destination)

These systems instruct actors in conflicting ways, frequently. In addition, there is competing instructions from multiple global systems in the same category, because the game uses both the Stingray Engine's physics and pathfinding systems alongside Havok at the same time in different contexts. With Havok, these things are decided by a weight, with a lower number (ex. 0.1) being more important, and a larger number (ex. 1.0) being less important. So a given actor will suggest actions it should take based on context to Havok's Global Actor Behavior system with a weight, and at some point when the Havok system is next given CPU time to decide what each actor should do, it will weigh its options given to it by the actor and choose what it feels is appropriate. This is a fine enough global system, many beloved older and newer games use Havok for this exact purpose (Source Engine games, Breath of the Wild, Elden Ring, the NuDoom games). It is opinion of the author of this mod, however, that Havok is "a stone tablet from a decade or more ago, it has not been updated in a long time" and given that the navigation system in Havok's wikipedia dates back to 2009 and the general Havok SDK 1.0 to 2000, the math supports this. The Stringray engine has its own AI and pathing systems which the mod author believes if they were properly integrated into the game would outperform Havok at these tasks. However, the situation we have in game is that they fight for control of actors in game, and more importantly that Arrowhead has misconfigured both systems in ways that may have masked their erroneous behavior in the game's early days.

The Problem

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As the game has changed since launch, Arrowhead has changed actor behavior to be more simple, and given more "free time" so to speak for each actor to choose new behaviors. There are fewer restrictions controlling what actors can suggest to the system with regards to what may be constricting them (ex. terrain or obstacles blocking pathing or line of sight, a restrictive action like a charge or a patrol call preventing other actions for an extended period of time). This means that even where the situation between a player and an enemy is identical or near identical to older versions of the game, the actor is given more chances to provide suggestions to Havok's Global Actor Behavior system. While there are complex issues plaguing the interplay of various systems in the game this mod doesn't fix, the most damning thing this does (that the mod does fix) is give actors chances to submit an attempt to "dodge", similar to how the Agitator enemies will attempt to dodge player attacks. However, the majority of enemies do not have a pre-scripted "dodge" action, and will instead move directly to the what the next step after a "dodge" would be: Asking the Global Pathfinding system for a new path to their next assigned behavior. This doesn't sound too bad, until you factor in that the "weight" specified by the actor for these actions is 0.1, aka the maximum.

So enemies are constantly trying to "dodge" even when there is no reason to, most are failing, and being given brand new pathing for their next action as frequently as possible. The end result of this is that enemies are constantly indecisive on how they should move, and spend much of their time attempting these pathing actions instead of doing literally anything else. This prevents the Global Actor Behavior system from being given time to instruct actors to take actions other than "dodge".

You may ask the question: "Wait, but why are actors able to do anything but path at us then if the highest priority action they can take at all times is dodge?" This is because, to some extent, the locomotion system (the animation and positioning of the legs of say a hulk walking at you) and the aiming/targeting system (the hulk aiming its upper body at you and firing) are acting independently of the Global Actor Behavior system (the hulk deciding what action it should take next). This results in things like hulks looking away with their eye while charging and firing at you, but taking horribly inefficient and indecisive paths to close that distance. It can also result in things like the enemies inverting or contorting parts of their body to hit you while seemingly having obstructions or restrictive actions that should have prevented the enemy from being able to attack you. Finally, while a 0.1 weighting is the highest, it is only a weighting, meaning sometimes the Global Actor Behavior controller will choose actions that are not the highest weighted thing. The actor is not the sole arbiter of what its next action should be, global rules can be set by the developers for various outcomes. In Helldivers 2, this means actors do thing besides "dodge", but spend considerable time attempting to do so, and waste not insignificant CPU time, constantly, pointlessly, recalculating their pathing. The mod author's opinion is this overhead is not very much on the total FPS metric, but needlessly high on the CPU usage metric.

So what would correct behavior look like? What does this mod do to try to achieve that?

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As stated by the mod author, this 0.1 weighted "dodge" action has always been weighted this highly even in earlier versions of the game, but checks done by more complex actor behaviors nearer to launch prevented it from being submitted to the Global Actor Behavior system as frequently by the actor. So with the current simplified actor logic, the correct behavior for enemies would be for this "dodge" action to have a decreased priority weight (technically this would be a higher value, ex: closer to 1.0) in the system, if not outright removed for the enemies that don't have a dodge. The Global Actor Behavior system of either Havok or Stringray can then sometimes decide to do something other than assign new pathfinding to enemies after they fail to dodge. To that end, that is all this mod does. It sets the "weight" value of the "dodge" action from 0.1 to 1.0, and in so doing frees up the actors to take more complex actions and do more, well, stuff.

The End Result

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This begs the question, what does this make the enemies do then? Well, it makes a much larger portion of enemy behavior doing things other than failing dodge into pathfinding, which does increase their ability to take other actions. Let's say 95% of their time before was taken up by "dodging" before (an arbitrary number, not a specific one provided by the mod author), then now they will spend 1% of their time doing that (another arbitrary number, not provided by the mod author), and will do other behaviors. This means enemies may be more accurate in their fire, charge more aggressively, do dangerous attacks more commonly, and, as was the goal of the mod author, attempt "aim resistance movement" (aka normal movement that was allowed to happen too frequently) less commonly. It can feel like a big change, after all Arrowhead likely set the "dodging" very aggressively probably because it wasn't "doing anything" in early builds of the game (when more complex behaviors from enemies would out-prioritize it).

Closing Remarks

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This is my reading and understanding from listening to the stream, and hearing the mod author describe it. It is possible I misunderstood or did not summarize the mod author's opinions correctly. I have only one direct quote from the mod author here, so do not take my description as being tantamount to their opinion perfectly represented. This mod, in this comment author's opinion, is conceptually very simple. Describing its effects is not, and it is likely why the description did not elaborate on the "what" this mod is doing. Hopefully we'll see more people try it out and see the effects in more detail to describe them, as its too complex to say what all the effects of "the enemy can take actions more frequently" can be.